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Really interesting review Shane. I think my vote is for the Art of Fermentation book, as while it sounds the least interesting from an abstract or speculative pov compared to all the others, I think rediscovering fermentation and using it in new ways with new foods will/could be very important for the future. It’s kind of a textbook example of low-tech biological technology, imo.

Anyway, some thoughts:

“ A. 100 hunter gatherers who spend 70% of their time foraging. This gives 30 full time equivalent human lives (30% of 100 people) that are free to do non-essential tasks.

B. 1000 farmers who spend 80% of their life farming. That leaves 200 equivalent free lives.

C. 10 000 industrial suburbanites who spend 90% of their life “working”, leaving 100 equivalent free lives. “

This is where social organization becomes important, as I don’t think the focus should be on free time vs work (which already uses a framing of working *for* someone else and being allowed time off). With hunter-gatherers, while they do have an abundance of leisure time especially compared to moderns, the two most important factors are that 1) the work they do is fulfilling and enjoyable, and 2) the work they do is for themselves, and combined with point 1 means that it is hard to distinguish from leisure in the first place.

Compared to peasant farmers, which not only have less leisure time than HG, but the work they do is harder and less rewarding, which they are forced to do in service of an elite ruling class.

So to me, the more important issue is not how much we work, but what kind of say we have in the work we do and who we are doing that work for. Even hard work can be fulfilling when done out of passion or for a personal project, and doing work for your family or community is very different than doing it for your local lord or for a soulless corporation so you don’t end up homeless.

“ This may be the case, but that then brings up the question of what free time for humans is even for, and is there an optimum amount of it? Imagine you could swallow a single pill which would supply you with all the nutrients you need for the rest of your life. You now have an extra 40 hours a week of free time, as do 8 billion other people. What would we do with that time? Are we already facing a stagnating surplus of human potential? Would we all just do crosswords and play Candy Crush to pass the extra time?

This line of questioning brings us to deeper questions. What is the purpose of humanity? What is the purpose of life on Earth? What is the purpose of the universe itself, if it has any other than converting high quality energy into waste heat as fast as possible. If that is all there is to existence, then industrial civilisation and its overflowing landfills are the crowning glory of creation. “

Yes, this is something we touched on in my second interview, though I’m not sure how well I expressed it. Western society is mythically very focused on some grand project, the idea that this is all ‘for’ something. Neurologically, we are all kept stuck in the neurotic task-mind, always rushing around or thinking we need to achieve some end goal. But as you said, this falls apart once we actually achieve it, as the illusion of there being some greater purpose to it all disappears and we are left with the reality of vapidly consuming the world for our own pleasure or to sate the bottomless gullets of the rich.

“ What if the universe is just one great outrageous party? “

This is closer to how our ancestors and indigenous societies view it, though more like the universe is one continuous dance or song, constantly creating and recreating itself with the overlapping interactions of its members. This is why indigenous beliefs are so focused on balance and mimicry. Is the universe an object you can put together the right or wrong way, or is it a pattern, a song, that ebbs and flows and changes forms?

The ‘point’ of being alive is to be alive, to enjoy our part and place in the dance. Children know this well, and before we are conditioned to the task mind and the conceptual baggage of the great project we are content to enjoy the wonders and mysteries of life and the present moment. I think there is a lot of wisdom in that, in being able to slow down and let go of these abstract ideas and focus on the world as it’s really happening around us, even if it’s hard to reignite that childlike passion and wonder and zest for life that many of us have had stamped out.

But yeah, the point being that you won’t find the ‘point’ in any abstract answer, because it’s discovered in living it out from moment to moment. My hope and prediction is that future societies will remember our part in the dance and our place in the world, and be able to enjoy life for its own sake again without having to justify it conceptually first. :)

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Definitely interested in book reviews.

Maybe the optimum involves a mode of existence where the “work” is fulfilling and relatively enjoyable for the most part, which we are very far from at the moment. I find that gardening and related physical is generally enjoyable, and part of that is because it’s not purely rote repetition of the same menial tasks, but it is also exercise. When I do ground preparation for annuals in the spring, there does get to be a point where I get tired of the same, relatively hard activity. Diversified horticulture and hunting is probably closest to most enjoyable in that regard. I don’t believe there is a deeper meaning than for us to participate in the flourishing of life on this planet.

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